Interview with Peter and Ginger Breggin
Interview with Peter and Ginger Breggin
Link to audio recording; transcript excerpts.
New interview:
Jan. 5, 2024 - The FDA's Sham Support of Poisoning the American Public. (1 hour, Breggin Pulse on America Out Loud and other podcast platforms). Speakers: Dr. Peter Breggin, Ginger Breggin, Katherine Watt. (Transcript, excerpted.)
Transcript Excerpts
PB - Katherine is an independent investigative writer and reporter. She is one of those people who's trained to do a lot of the work that lawyers can't or don't want to do. She's a paralegal. And she has been working really hard on a very special approach to what's going on with our vaccines today.
And I think I'm just going to go right away to Katherine and say, you know, let's start out and explain, as you were just explaining to me and Ginger, where you're going with your thinking about how to approach what you describe as an essentially --
Well, I let me, actually let me read something to the folks and then I'll give it to Katherine. This is in her latest Substack report:
"All FDA activity that appeared to be license-related pertaining to all biological products..."
which includes the vaccines folks,
"...manufactured since May 2019, has been fraudulent, performative, charade, pretextual and any other word or phrase, that means not real, not substantive, not legally relevant."
...I'd like you to go to the heart of it, fraudulent activity and the FDA and how it's all a charade, how it relates to well, you know, just and how you're looking at using the law, trying to get somebody to use the law in this regard.
KW - So, the heart of it, in my view, is that what's being presented as a public health emergency, and as a pharmaceutical product, is actually not either of those things.
It's really a constitutional crisis. And it's been a constitutional crisis since long before it sort-of emerged on the scene in the beginning of 2020. Because the constitutional crisis is based in changes in US law that make it possible for the federal government to carry out biological attacks on the population, through the states, through biological products, like vaccines, and through emergency conditions and emergency orders, like the ones that came out during COVID.
Because really, what they're trying to do is injure and kill a lot of people here and around the world without getting caught, without getting stopped, without people seeing that that's what it is.
And what their overarching goal is to do is to concentrate power first in the federal executive branch in the United States, and then pass it over to the United Nations, the World Health Organization and whatever successor globalist organizations and institutions they develop.
So that's how I look at what has happened and the lesson I have taken from the research that I've done and the things that I've found.
PB - ...there has been a very organized, active public campaign to develop a global governance by elites. And those elites are — they're a complex group. Many, many groups have been created along the way...
And it is supported by the UN [United Nations], by the World Health Organization, they're very globalist, they think they're going to be in charge...
[It's] supported by billionaires. It's supported by the banking industry. It's supported by the Chinese Communist government. And that's how you get these people working together...
And we are the last bastion, United States of America, as it once was, as we're trying to revitalize it, is the last bastion. And what Katherine Watt is talking about so powerfully...is how they have destroyed our constitutional powers that would have fought off a direct attack on us. And indeed, we are having a direct attack. It's just hard to say, hard to grasp, if you haven't heard it before.
Katherine, pick up wherever you want on this, please.
KW - Well, one thing that I would say is that a lot of it is deception-based. The constitution is still there, and the geopolitical authority of the people and the states and the Congress, and the courts are still there. But they have been — the people who actually could use those mechanisms have been deceived into thinking that they don't have the power that is still sitting there.
Because as, I would agree with what you said about the metaphysical aspect of things, and the — Satan's most useful method of getting control over people is to deceive them into thinking that things that are good are evil and thinking that things that are evil are good, and not understanding the right relationship between the human being and God.
And so that's the thing I would emphasize, is that it's a deception process.
And because I look at it that way, there is an opening every time people find the courage to actually look at what's happening and actually think it through and actually take steps to respond with their own power. There's ways to punch holes in it. And there's ways to weaken the power that the deceivers want us to think that they have and recognize that they don't actually have that power.
They're pretending. They're pretending through fake laws. They're pretending through fake regulatory processes. They're pretending through propaganda campaigns to make people scared about fake pandemics.
The whole thing is a big mask over reality that can be pulled away.
PB - Talk about the law in the land, which people believe is still going on, they still believe there's an FDA that is in fact, and a CDC that are in fact legally monitoring the vaccines. And that what we're saying, which was a so-called vaccines, they're really M, mRNA platforms, technologies injected into us, [with] effects [that are] broad, widespread, unpredictable, but known to have been lethal, we prove that.
And in fact, the reports to the, there's a reporting system [VAERS] that is monitored by both the CDC [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] and the FDA [Food and Drug Administration] show, we've got reports of at least 20,000, just from the US, of deaths from these platforms being injected. And we know from research that the best estimate of how many actual deaths occur for every one reported is approximately 100 to one, which would mean we have 20, we have 2 million reported actual, they represent 2 million actual deaths. And [we] make a really strong argument for that in our book. So we're looking at a catastrophe. We're looking at an assault.
And Katherine, pick up on the law that you have been probably the most detailed person looking at, and how they just rewrote into it, "Hey, the FDA is doing nothing right now and is permitted and encouraged to do nothing." How [is] the charade, this huge charade?
KW - Well, one thing I would say is, we don't actually know what's in any of the injections, because the way that the laws were rewritten, they never had to disclose the ingredients. And they never had to allow independent testing to confirm whatever they wanted to claim was in the ingredients.
So, I think some of the studies that have been done trying to, like, reverse engineer it and examine it, from people who diverted product out of the military supply chain and investigated [found], yes, there are mRNA components. There are LNP [lipid nanoparticle] components. There are lots of other components that we don't actually know. And there is no standardization among them.
And I would also say that it's not that the FDA is doing nothing. The FDA is an active complicitor [accomplice] in the performance that's being done. And without their participation, it would not have been able to move forward, because they had to be there pretending that there is a regulatory structure that applies to these products and pretending that they were applying it, so that people would think that the products were regulated and take them.
If they [FDA] had not been involved at all, if Pfizer had just come out by itself and said "We've made this thing. We're not going to tell you what's in it. We want you to take it. It's free," people would not have done it in the way that they did because the FDA was involved in the fraudulent way that it was involved.
So it's a joint project, joint deception project, between military leaders, FDA leaders, CDC leaders and corporate — Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, all of the other subcontractors and contractors that have produced components of countermeasures, or actual countermeasures.
And Sasha Latypova is somebody that I work with a lot, because our two analyses go together in the sense that she has a strong, long background in regulatory procedures and product development.
Just like Mike Yeadon is another person whose work dovetails with mine and hers.
And so, when she was looking at it early on, she was trying to figure out why the regulatory things that were apparently being done did not match her own experience with how it should look.
Brook Jackson is another one who couldn't understand why the clinical trials process didn't look like it was supposed to look, because she had experience in what that was supposed to be.
And I had experience with what legal challenges were supposed to look like, and how you're supposed to be able to get to the point where you can present evidence to a court, and you can have a confrontational, adversarial process to figure out what's true and what's false. And that process was cut off at the knees every time it started.
And the basic finding is that, yes, the laws, the PREP Act [Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act], especially, in 2005, and the Project Bioshield Act in 2004, and then all of the implementing regulations for those programs, the things that came before and things came after, have made it so that what the FDA is doing is just pretending.
It's just pretending, to get people to take poison, thinking that it's medicine...
PB - Okay, when we come back, Katherine, let's go through some of the laws that you point out where it actually says that the — that nothing that's going on basically at the FDA shall be constituted to mean that the drug has been actually approved, with the biologic, has been actually approved by any formal process that would lead to the official label being placed on the biologic to indicate that it's been approved.
KW - So, I think you asked about what are the laws that made it so that the fakery can happen or is actually required to happen. There are two.
One of them I found relatively early, a couple of years ago, that's 21 US Code 360bbb-3(k). And that's the one that says "use" of the EUA products "shall not constitute clinical investigation."
And so that's the law that basically said, under these specific conditions of public health emergencies, which are declared by the HHS Secretary unilaterally, they're not reviewable. They're not reversible by anyone other than the HHS Secretary [42 USC 247d-6d], to the extent that states and courts defer to these illegal laws.
Once those conditions are in place, the use of the product doesn't require informed consent. It doesn't involve real institutional review boards. There are no real review procedures at the FDA. Everything they do is just a pretense. Because the use is really for this other purpose, which is to injure and kill people without people finding out, or without people stopping it, without people being held criminally or civilly liable.
And that's the piece that came in with the PREP Act in 2005 [and Project Bioshield Act in 2004].
And then, the other one that I found much more recently relates more to the biological product licenses, "biologics license applications," called BLA. And that program dates back to some major revisions. It started in 1944, with the whole Public Health Service Act. There were some major revisions in 1973.
And then, just before they were about to launch this covert attack, using biological products that are unregulated -- that are actually poisons, but calling them medicines, through the Federal Register [84 FR 12505, April 2, 2019], making revisions to regulations [21 CFR 600.20, 21 CFR 600.21, 21 CFR 600.22] that are related to 42 US Code 262, which is the biological products section, they set it up so that there would be no specific time intervals for inspections of production facilities making biological products. There would be no specific enumerated duties for inspectors to visit the plants, take samples of the products, test the samples, apply regulatory enforcement actions.
And so that piece is a piece that becomes more relevant when you look at the things that other people talk about, as far as [claiming] "FDA did license Comirnaty in August of 2021."
Actually, they did not. Because that whole biologics license application or BLA process was corrupted just as the emergency use authorized program was corrupted.
They're written to make it possible to market and use poisons, calling them medicines...
I haven't looked into [the Biologics License Application records] a whole lot, because of my understanding of how the — not only the PREP Act and the Public Health Service Act piece, but also the Defense Production Act, were inserted into this, to make this whole process fake.
Other people have looked at the BLA application paperwork a lot closer than I have.
And the conclusion that I still maintain is that that paperwork is faked. There have been no clinical trials. There have been no valid FDA review procedures. There have been no valid independent testing of the products, for their quality, for their non-adulteration, for their purity, for their labeling accuracy, for anything.
So, I don't know if that answers the question, because I can't talk in great detail about it. Other than that, once you realize it's a fake, you can look at the papers and you can know that these are just props. They're theatrical props. They don't have a legal meaning.
And their political meaning is, just as Ginger said, to provide cover so that people don't know that what they're getting is poison and don't put up the fight that they would put up if they did know that what they're getting is poison.
PB - Now the Department of Defense has this [...] special acquisition process that was intended originally for unique and unusual circumstances. And that's, that's been used for their acquiring or buying billions of dollars of x of these pseudo-vaccines. Can you tell us more about that?
KW - It's called Other Transaction Authority [10 USC 4022], OTA. It applies to several different agencies. HHS is only one of the agencies that can use it. And the bottom line for OTA contracts is that it takes them out of normal financial oversight functions of Congress and takes them out of normal contract law provisions. Which, the Defense Production Act also has provisions that take it out of normal contract law applicability, and also out of anti-trust law applicability [50 USC 4558].
And that's another thing where I haven't looked into it a lot. But there is a very good argument to be made, that what is happening is similar to trusts, that the anti-trust laws were put in place to stop. In the sense that multiple, high, or very large corporations, in cooperation with the Government, are controlling the market and controlling the anti-competitive kind of situations so that they can work together to smoothly get this product out. Without any interference from either, other competitors, who might be wanting to analyze the product and say, "This is not a good product. Therefore, we're going to come up with another product."
So there are many, many different legal mechanisms that they're using to control the narrative and to control the production and distribution and use of these poisons. And the Other Transaction Authority is one of those mechanisms, but it's not the only one.
PB - This is getting a little abstruse, maybe, but not too much. I, originally, most of us originally thought that BARDA [Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority] was the federal agency under [...] Rick Bright. That's the agency that stopped Trump from distributing millions of doses of hydroxychloroquine. He ordered them to be released, which would have stopped the so-called pandemic because it's a very excellent treatment and have given to the older people when they were first getting sick. Hardly anybody would have even died. [It] would have been even more mild than the flu, it would have been a non-, totally non-existent in its lethality. And he stopped the president and the president was unable or unwilling to go around that.
We thought that's what was mainly authorized by Congress, to be funding these biologics in emergencies. But it turns out now more and more than it looks like the Defense Department was really the central agency of the government that was really marshalling, putting together, and managing, and still is, this whole episode of distributing these poisons. Does that ring true for you?
KW - ...Sasha and I have both tried to figure it out a bit where the coordination happens, because it isn't — it's clearly a joint project.
And the two primary agencies are the Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense, along with the Department of Homeland Security. Because one of the ways that they kind of smuggled the whole program through is to make the claim that it's a national defense issue, that there are big, scary, dangerous pathogens in the world that can kill a lot of people and get out of control. And therefore you need a biodefense industry and a biodefense strategy. And it needs to be federally-directed, and it needs to be federally-funded, because companies won't do it on their own. They won't develop these products on their own.
All of that is a lie. As Sasha talks about, and I talk about, because of the way that human biology works, and pathogens and immune systems, if there, if it were possible for a new pathogen to suddenly wipe out most of the world, it would have happened already. But because immune systems are set up the way they are, if it's very communicable, it's not very deadly. And if it's very deadly, it's not very communicable. And this is part of the beauty of how God has set up this world.
But the organization that we think are, I think she agrees with this, is called the Public Health Emergencies Medical Countermeasures Enterprise [42 USC 300hh-10a.] And it's a similar structure to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and other government-sponsored enterprises in that it's partly private, and it's partly public.
And the people who sit on it are people like the HHS Secretary, the Defense Secretary, Secretary of the Veterans Administration. I think there's a representation from Secretary of State, there's people there from NIH, from CDC. Fauci was on it. Fauci, I think, was probably the person who coordinated the meetings of it.
And their function is to keep all of the different agencies aligned. Probably their function is also to silo information so that people, it's harder for lower-level people to put the pieces together. And to distribute the money, to aggregate the money from Congress and from private sources, and then to distribute it out to the weapons manufacturers that they want to hire to produce the weapons.
So that organization is called the Public Health Emergencies Medical Countermeasures Enterprise. And it was, they set it up by themselves sort-of in, at the same time that BARDA was being set up [2006]. And then Congress went ahead [in 2013] and passed a law saying, "Sure, this can exist and we will put it into the statutes."
PB - ...You're describing, Katherine, what the public-private partnerships that are involved here, and we see this apparently just so many places where the US government is doing this, and this is at the heart of another assault on the country, that it's a part of all of this globalism, which is the concept of the World Economic Forum, that it wants to develop all these public-private, that's Klaus Schwab's group, partnerships. Because in them, through them, you get a kind of, closest model, I guess, would be fascism, which is where the government is essentially working with but also under the control of the great wealth that's outside the government.
So you have these two sources of wealth. You have the public, which is the money collected from the public through taxes. And then they also generate, the government's generating more and more money from these schemes that you're describing. And it goes into government coffers and to be used in a powerful way and redistributed. And then you've got it all coming in from the corporate.
NIH-ACTIV [National Institutes of Health - Accelerating COVID-19 Therapeutic Interventions and Vaccines] is another one of these, where we have sitting at the table all the people you mentioned for that organization. Robert Malone…still sits apparently on that, from his listed resume, on ACTIV, in the group. You mentioned, you mentioned all these various government agencies and coordinated by Fauci. Do you know of, who the private partnerships were, sitting there? Was Bill Gates on it? He's on ACTIV.
...So Katherine, going back to this organization that I have no knowledge about, I didn't until you came on...about the central organizations within DOD, that are involved in coordinating a lot of this and you mentioned the name of it. I'd love you to repeat that. And do you know of any of the, who the [private] partners are?
KW - It's the Public Health Emergencies Medical Countermeasures Enterprise. I don't know the names of individual private corporate representatives who might be on there.
But the main coordinating sort of middleman organization is the Medical CBRN Defense Consortium. That's the MCDC. And CBRN stands for chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear. So that consortium is a group of I think, roughly 300, at this point, private companies like Pfizer and other pharmaceutical and weapons contractors, and also university research departments.
And they are kind of managed by another company called ATI, which is Advanced Technologies International ... They're based in South Carolina. They are the counterparty on the Pfizer contracts, the Moderna contracts, almost all of the, I shouldn't say almost all, many of the countermeasures contracts.
ATI is the counterparty that stands between the Department of Defense and the private corporations. Because what they do is manage the contracts. That's their function as, like, a third-party contract management organization. And as far as I can tell, ATI coordinates with the MCDC. So the organizations that get to bid on or apply for the money pots to make these weapons, go through the MCDC. They sign up, they get to be a member of the consortium, and then they get the request for proposals sent out through ATI to them and then they send back their proposal for what they're going to do and ATI works with the military to choose the contractors that are going to get each contract…
PB - ...The reason they gang up on the US, and Katherine Watt has made that so clear with her initial summary, is that we are the last partially standing constitutional republic, we still have a constitution, that she so beautifully reminded us, and they're out to destroy us and to do that they have to destroy our belief in our Constitution, and they're well on the way to doing it. And we have to fight back.
But don't kid yourself [that] this is some conspiracy theory. The conspiracy is to make us stupid about this...
GB - ...Katherine, why don't you go ahead and sum up what you envision we need to do going forward as citizens, as concerned citizens and resistors and reformers.
KW - So, I have looked into it the way the way I've looked into it because I've been looking for what, what has gone wrong. How did things go off the rails? Because you need to know that to figure out how to put things back on the rails...
And one, actually, the first interview that I did was with Jane Ruby back in the summer of 2022.
...So one of the things I said at the end of that discussion was sort of the idea that the constitutional power, thanks to the foresight of the drafters of the Constitution, has the separation of powers between the three federal branches, and also the separation of powers between the federal branches and the states called federalism.
And then in a broader, especially Catholic context, that's called subsidiarity. It's the idea that the power to have the authority to do things politically should be handled at the lowest possible level. The State, that the highest level, should not interfere with the lowest level, because at the lowest level, you need to be responsible for the soul that you've been given and the body that you've been given, and the family that you've been given, and the community that you live in as much as possible.
So it's subsidiarity or federalism, and we have it here. And I talked about in that conversation, because of the way things have gone off the rails, there is an opportunity, and you can even think of it as a duty, for the states and the counties in the United States to pull the constitutional governing authority that they have delegated historically to the federal government, back to the state level and back to the county level, because the federal government is abusing it, because the federal government is using it to kill people and enslave people and steal people's stuff.
And so there's a couple processes for that. There's repeal of the enabling laws. Congress could do that. And I put together a draft recently, of the seven main things I think that Congress should repeal that would knock the pins out from under this whole system.
In addition to Congress doing it, states can nullify the federal laws, and I've been doing work and there's a few groups. WethePeople50 is doing work around that. And then there's another group called, Karen Bracken's group in Tennessee, I can't remember exactly what the name is, [Tennessee Citizens for State Sovereignty] but they are trying to spread the word that states and state legislatures and state governors and the people in states can develop mechanisms to nullify these bad federal laws, so that they're not applicable within the borders of the state that you live in.
At the same time, all of the states have mini versions of these federal kill box laws. Most of those were passed during a lobbying campaign using a model law called the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act [MSEHPA].
So the state legislatures by themselves can just repeal their state level kill box laws. And that also will help pull some of the pins out from underneath.
And then at the lowest level, I mean, apart from individuals, just don't take any more shots ever. Again, because all of them are corrupted. Help support other people who are trying to stand up against them and not take them.
At the county level, county commissioners' groups are getting organized. County sheriffs are getting organized. And county Republican parties are getting organized, to pass resolutions that do the same kinds of things. They either nullify these higher-level laws and say they're not going to apply within this county. Or they repeal county level emergency management plans.
Or they educate the county-level law enforcement and health care workers [that] when these orders come down from the state and when they come down from the federal government, do not comply, because you are the frontline that is imposing these killing programs on the individuals, so stop complying.
