Add the fact the big business has completely taken over the media and you have the greatest constitutional crisis ever with the government's influence over big business and thus the media. But hey, 81,000,000 people voted for this right?
Interesting and fundamental point of information here! Also, all good comments. I worked in a municipal government for many years, and saw the rapid increase in public/private initiatives being used to accomplish what the local government could not do on its own. So here's the game: If the government cannot accomplish a project for the benefit of its citizens only, then it must approach the citizens for permission to seek further funding, etc. But, in no way should the government join in a venture that benefits a private company using the funding from, and the power of its citizens. Using public/private initiatives risks the strength of our constitution to limit the power of government OVER the citizens. One glaring example was a major improvement project on a river running through the heart of the city, including the purchase of large swaths of properties adjacent to the riverfront to be redeveloped into commercial, retail, and residential businesses. It was a major part of the focus of city government for over a decade. $Billions were spent, lives were impacted. Afterward, the project was abandoned, the costs written off. The loss of Constitutional freedoms for the citizens and the limitation on the government were masked by the public/private initiative under which the project was undertaken - and abandoned.
I spent the 15-20 years before Covid doing citizen investigative journalism at the municipal, county and corporate level. Saw the public-private scam play out several times, and learned a lot about the mechanics of it. Which is part of why my hackles went up as Covid and Warp Speed began.
Well, many many years before the power grab and stolen election. JFK gunned down, LBJ takes over. Or FDR. Or Woodrow Wilson. Or the Lincoln Administration waging war with no Constitution legality.
Topped off by 9/11 which fixed seemingly all of we the people as livestock to be suspected, scanned, preyed on by immoral fascist monsters. And now Covid which was never ever about a virus. And furthermore each and every one of us has done this by falling for any of it. Perpetual war for perpetual peace. "In the Name of." Interdependence which is necessary among we the people to survive is now used by the synergistic opportunism of corporations, governments, institutions to rule over us.
We lost control over our government in 1913 when Wilson signed the bill authorizing the Federal Reserve and then signed the bill authorizing individual income taxes. Wealth transfer ensued, as did debasing the dollar. This is the end game that was predicted decades ago by people who understood how money laundering through taxation would bring down the country. We have arrived, and the banksters are hoping for a reset to save them from themselves.
I am not certain if either we or our admirable founding ancestors were ever certain we ever had control of out government. This seems to me the entire point of their intentions in founding it.
There were problems in control over any government from the first footsteps of European explorers/settlers/colonists on the American shores. There were cultural traditions which came to haunt us and still do. Although I count all these things and more I see roots of this modern hegemonic hypocrisy arising in the corporate wage slavery we saw fit to bring to bear within the context of the First American Civil War.
The idea is classic Republicanism which is inherently classist. The Monarch is abolished in favor of the class of men enfranchised as Sovereign. Native Americans had their own political issues depending on time and place. Do we seek Kings? Likely no, instead Dictatorship of party faction in control of government. John Calhoun spoke up on this in the 1830's. Of course in the context of the fire eater abolitionists using Federal power to overcome State's Rights.
Interestingly he ultimately carried his thoughts back to Locke whom he decided introduced the dangerous notion that all men are equal merely by existence as men. I have not yet read closely Agamben's work on Hobbes but I think when I do then I will go to read Calhoun closely.
As early as the 1820s, Calhoun was trying to correct what he saw as a monumental error by the Founders. To Calhoun, it was folly to base the republic on universal ideals like “all men are created equal,” or to suppose that something like the Bill of Rights could protect the rights of a minority from the “tyranny” of the majority.
He believed instead that politics was the exercise of pure will, and that the scope and exercise of political power should be based on “scientific” principles, not natural law or inherent human rights.
Thanks, admittedly a complex subject. Developing some ideas currently. Hope to do an essay soon. A problem I see with having political power based on “scientific” principles however is based in who’s “science”? The “science” now approved by mass media & general public or the a actual science? Another issue is that actual science usually comes from extraordinary “ordinary” people and not from anything we would normally associate with political power. It generally takes a long time before real, grounded science is acceptable to a political power and only if it serves that power.
Yes this is a interesting question in the sense that in his day science had certain prestige that philosophy did not. Marx and scientific socialism is one example of 19th century thought grounding political ideas. The problem is scientific ideology as a justification for cruelty. Just as political passion is a tool for domination. Good government means different things to different people who have not a desire to hear the other point of view or even admit the idea of a Commonwealth.
Have you watched Egger’s films - especially The Northman? Apparently the earlier origins at least partially of the Shakespeare’s Hamlet. As one of my musician sons pointed out it was Shakespeare’s rewrite for his courtly and Royal supporters. Not bad?
Perhaps there are far earlier origins of political and scientific confusion? I’m thinking it goes back to our earliest civilizations - all of which failed. And no, I’m not building a “Noble Savage” theory - maybe just a Noble, Flawed, yet Very Skilled Through Evolution at Interdependence Bunch Of Humans. Sorry to disappoint but I see manipulative civilizations as our downfall.
The Founders had the English Civil War behind them and Colonial experience with them. The thought was it was possible to in Madison's phrase "Cabin" government. However this could only be possible with first a written Constitution in each state and second an active an engaged citizenry. The idea was men of some net worth as enfranchised. John Adams, signer of the Declaration of Independence and later president, wrote in 1776 that no good could come from enfranchising more Americans:
Depend upon it, Sir, it is dangerous to open so fruitful a source of controversy and altercation as would be opened by attempting to alter the qualifications of voters; there will be no end to it. New claims will arise; women will demand the vote; lads from 12 to 21 will think their rights not enough attended to; and every man who has not a farthing, will demand an equal voice with any other, in all acts of state. It tends to confound and destroy all distinctions, and prostrate all ranks to one common level.
These boys were the inheritors of European traditions. alright. Maybe not Royalists but seeking a sort of Kingship nonetheless. Many believe we still seek kings in America. I'm beginning to think they are correct at least in part. Much more to all this then first meets the eye, lol. It won't be solved or resolved easily. Imagine the Native Americans could share a few stories regarding the aims and intentions of the American government & "democracy".
But you have already shown us, Katherine, that they knew they were going to do this!
It has been in the works since at least 1913, and probably 1860, or before!
Seemingly, in 1932, with FDR, they really got the ball rolling with all the Communists that were already here, from 20s Germany, and before, the ones that did't turn N@ZI, (for Stalin), and that FDR invited over by recognizing the Soviet Union in '32.
"Just promise you won't try to subvert us (wink-wink)."
Yes, this is just another way of thinking about the same overall plan. I thought it was interesting, because it offers another angle on the practical ‘why’ of the Constitution suspension, in addition to the ideological, power & control & profiteering reasons.
I looked that up. It’s been attributed to Benito Mussolini, but one of the reports I found online said no one has been able to identify a speech or paper in which he said the phrase attributed to him: “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.”
Good to know! Maybe I should make this definition: "neo-fascism is a public-private partnership where the public purse and public servants are fully privatized/co-opted"?
I am afraid we are going way back past feudalism straight into a global slave society, if they get their way. Divine intervention is in order. To most it usually comes late, but it still does at the end...
When corporations rule the world they only feed the ones they need. Depopulation looks glaringly evident. Gain of Function plague for designed for immune subverting and depleting injections resulting in financial chaos, social breakdown, disarmament and plague, to me best describes the chronology of the events.
Automation and artificial intelligence have replaced our jobs. We are surplus to requirement. That’s what they think. We woke up much sooner then they thought possible and
not how they like it. Rev up! Our odds are looking good, 💥🚀🚀🚀
Add the fact the big business has completely taken over the media and you have the greatest constitutional crisis ever with the government's influence over big business and thus the media. But hey, 81,000,000 people voted for this right?
well, those private corporation run voting machines which we're forced to use say that many people voted for the current figurehead-in-chief, anyway
Interesting and fundamental point of information here! Also, all good comments. I worked in a municipal government for many years, and saw the rapid increase in public/private initiatives being used to accomplish what the local government could not do on its own. So here's the game: If the government cannot accomplish a project for the benefit of its citizens only, then it must approach the citizens for permission to seek further funding, etc. But, in no way should the government join in a venture that benefits a private company using the funding from, and the power of its citizens. Using public/private initiatives risks the strength of our constitution to limit the power of government OVER the citizens. One glaring example was a major improvement project on a river running through the heart of the city, including the purchase of large swaths of properties adjacent to the riverfront to be redeveloped into commercial, retail, and residential businesses. It was a major part of the focus of city government for over a decade. $Billions were spent, lives were impacted. Afterward, the project was abandoned, the costs written off. The loss of Constitutional freedoms for the citizens and the limitation on the government were masked by the public/private initiative under which the project was undertaken - and abandoned.
I spent the 15-20 years before Covid doing citizen investigative journalism at the municipal, county and corporate level. Saw the public-private scam play out several times, and learned a lot about the mechanics of it. Which is part of why my hackles went up as Covid and Warp Speed began.
Well, many many years before the power grab and stolen election. JFK gunned down, LBJ takes over. Or FDR. Or Woodrow Wilson. Or the Lincoln Administration waging war with no Constitution legality.
Topped off by 9/11 which fixed seemingly all of we the people as livestock to be suspected, scanned, preyed on by immoral fascist monsters. And now Covid which was never ever about a virus. And furthermore each and every one of us has done this by falling for any of it. Perpetual war for perpetual peace. "In the Name of." Interdependence which is necessary among we the people to survive is now used by the synergistic opportunism of corporations, governments, institutions to rule over us.
We lost control over our government in 1913 when Wilson signed the bill authorizing the Federal Reserve and then signed the bill authorizing individual income taxes. Wealth transfer ensued, as did debasing the dollar. This is the end game that was predicted decades ago by people who understood how money laundering through taxation would bring down the country. We have arrived, and the banksters are hoping for a reset to save them from themselves.
I am not certain if either we or our admirable founding ancestors were ever certain we ever had control of out government. This seems to me the entire point of their intentions in founding it.
There were problems in control over any government from the first footsteps of European explorers/settlers/colonists on the American shores. There were cultural traditions which came to haunt us and still do. Although I count all these things and more I see roots of this modern hegemonic hypocrisy arising in the corporate wage slavery we saw fit to bring to bear within the context of the First American Civil War.
The idea is classic Republicanism which is inherently classist. The Monarch is abolished in favor of the class of men enfranchised as Sovereign. Native Americans had their own political issues depending on time and place. Do we seek Kings? Likely no, instead Dictatorship of party faction in control of government. John Calhoun spoke up on this in the 1830's. Of course in the context of the fire eater abolitionists using Federal power to overcome State's Rights.
Interestingly he ultimately carried his thoughts back to Locke whom he decided introduced the dangerous notion that all men are equal merely by existence as men. I have not yet read closely Agamben's work on Hobbes but I think when I do then I will go to read Calhoun closely.
As early as the 1820s, Calhoun was trying to correct what he saw as a monumental error by the Founders. To Calhoun, it was folly to base the republic on universal ideals like “all men are created equal,” or to suppose that something like the Bill of Rights could protect the rights of a minority from the “tyranny” of the majority.
He believed instead that politics was the exercise of pure will, and that the scope and exercise of political power should be based on “scientific” principles, not natural law or inherent human rights.
Thanks, admittedly a complex subject. Developing some ideas currently. Hope to do an essay soon. A problem I see with having political power based on “scientific” principles however is based in who’s “science”? The “science” now approved by mass media & general public or the a actual science? Another issue is that actual science usually comes from extraordinary “ordinary” people and not from anything we would normally associate with political power. It generally takes a long time before real, grounded science is acceptable to a political power and only if it serves that power.
Yes this is a interesting question in the sense that in his day science had certain prestige that philosophy did not. Marx and scientific socialism is one example of 19th century thought grounding political ideas. The problem is scientific ideology as a justification for cruelty. Just as political passion is a tool for domination. Good government means different things to different people who have not a desire to hear the other point of view or even admit the idea of a Commonwealth.
Have you watched Egger’s films - especially The Northman? Apparently the earlier origins at least partially of the Shakespeare’s Hamlet. As one of my musician sons pointed out it was Shakespeare’s rewrite for his courtly and Royal supporters. Not bad?
Perhaps there are far earlier origins of political and scientific confusion? I’m thinking it goes back to our earliest civilizations - all of which failed. And no, I’m not building a “Noble Savage” theory - maybe just a Noble, Flawed, yet Very Skilled Through Evolution at Interdependence Bunch Of Humans. Sorry to disappoint but I see manipulative civilizations as our downfall.
The Founders had the English Civil War behind them and Colonial experience with them. The thought was it was possible to in Madison's phrase "Cabin" government. However this could only be possible with first a written Constitution in each state and second an active an engaged citizenry. The idea was men of some net worth as enfranchised. John Adams, signer of the Declaration of Independence and later president, wrote in 1776 that no good could come from enfranchising more Americans:
Depend upon it, Sir, it is dangerous to open so fruitful a source of controversy and altercation as would be opened by attempting to alter the qualifications of voters; there will be no end to it. New claims will arise; women will demand the vote; lads from 12 to 21 will think their rights not enough attended to; and every man who has not a farthing, will demand an equal voice with any other, in all acts of state. It tends to confound and destroy all distinctions, and prostrate all ranks to one common level.
https://research.colonialwilliamsburg.org/Foundation/journal/Spring07/elections.cfm
These boys were the inheritors of European traditions. alright. Maybe not Royalists but seeking a sort of Kingship nonetheless. Many believe we still seek kings in America. I'm beginning to think they are correct at least in part. Much more to all this then first meets the eye, lol. It won't be solved or resolved easily. Imagine the Native Americans could share a few stories regarding the aims and intentions of the American government & "democracy".
:). Clearly not "our" government then, though more so than today.
But you have already shown us, Katherine, that they knew they were going to do this!
It has been in the works since at least 1913, and probably 1860, or before!
Seemingly, in 1932, with FDR, they really got the ball rolling with all the Communists that were already here, from 20s Germany, and before, the ones that did't turn N@ZI, (for Stalin), and that FDR invited over by recognizing the Soviet Union in '32.
"Just promise you won't try to subvert us (wink-wink)."
Yes, this is just another way of thinking about the same overall plan. I thought it was interesting, because it offers another angle on the practical ‘why’ of the Constitution suspension, in addition to the ideological, power & control & profiteering reasons.
Isn't fascism defined as a "public-private partnership"?
I looked that up. It’s been attributed to Benito Mussolini, but one of the reports I found online said no one has been able to identify a speech or paper in which he said the phrase attributed to him: “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.”
https://politicalresearch.org/2005/01/12/mussolini-corporate-state
Maybe he did say it, but I pulled it out of the draft of the post because I couldn’t find the source.
Good to know! Maybe I should make this definition: "neo-fascism is a public-private partnership where the public purse and public servants are fully privatized/co-opted"?
I like it. Can you make a definition for the mash-up of neo-fascism and neo-feudalism? Neo-fascifeudalism?
(Fun auto-correct: it changed ‘fasci’ to ‘Fauci’ when I typed that.)
I am afraid we are going way back past feudalism straight into a global slave society, if they get their way. Divine intervention is in order. To most it usually comes late, but it still does at the end...
Their version of feudalism doesn’t have the noblesse oblige part, so I agree, their goal is pre-feudal, slave society.
When corporations rule the world they only feed the ones they need. Depopulation looks glaringly evident. Gain of Function plague for designed for immune subverting and depleting injections resulting in financial chaos, social breakdown, disarmament and plague, to me best describes the chronology of the events.
Automation and artificial intelligence have replaced our jobs. We are surplus to requirement. That’s what they think. We woke up much sooner then they thought possible and
not how they like it. Rev up! Our odds are looking good, 💥🚀🚀🚀
Anent your explanation, is not “ the corporate state”one of the definitions of Fascism? Just asking...
We have enjoyed the views of Vivik Ramaswamy on the corruption between government and corporate forces. Very telling.